CedricV
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Something we all had to be cool back in the day.
XF 2.4 general discussion, feedback, complaints, random off topic posts, etc.
- Thread starter Paul B
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The only ask I have of 2.4 is chunked upload support. The ability to upload a large file / video is nearly impossible without this. Chunked uploads became possible with HTTP 1.1, which has been available since 1997: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9112#name-chunked-transfer-coding
AjayJunkies
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XF is never going to win here.Can we just retire BBCode someday, or make it an option so if people really want it, they can enable it? To me, BBCode feels like we are trying to hold on to the glory of MySpace. Seems like a lot of code that wouldn't need to be maintained anymore as a bonus.
There's going to be a legacy portion of the client base who will cling to their BBCode, despite the fact that modern editors (of everything from Microsoft Word to Facebook) have moved on. This is going to be one of the bigger transformations that XF will need to make with their customers (who will need to make the same transformation with their users).
digitalpoint
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Make it a user group setting… then those that want to move on (or even allow admins only to use it or something), could.
Moved to what?
For those who want to tap into the full potential of HTML and web typography while using XF, Facebook is rudimentary at best.
What does Microsoft Word have to do with HTML?
One of my forums has several dozens of custom BB codes defined because that’s what it takes to format a text in some literary genres. It is not about BB codes per se; there is no “clinging.” It's about using advanced formatting that goes above and beyond what social media will ever need.
As an informed community, we should be aware of just how different our needs may be.
digitalpoint
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Well “additional code” for permission is literally a single line to check the permission. But ya, I think it would be great to gut it and do away with BBCode completely. But I know that’s not practical because a lot of users would complain… that’s why the permission could be a “transitional” thing of sorts.
Sentiments aside, what would be the technical (performance) advantages of removing BBCode from XF? What would be the equivalent of custom BB codes in the hypothetical version of XF without BBCode?Can we just retire BBCode someday, or make it an option so if people really want it, they can enable it? To me, BBCode feels like we are trying to hold on to the glory of MySpace. Seems like a lot of code that wouldn't need to be maintained anymore as a bonus.
Mendalla
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I guess that would be my question, too. I do have one custom button on my toolbar so I would hope that any future replacement would enable me to keep or recreate that.
Sim
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Careful - you're starting to talk like a 4.0 release.
I've seen it so often with software product development cycles (vBulletin and Kayako being two of many examples)
v1: "hey this is a neat idea"
v2: "wow this really has a lot of promise"
v3: "this is the best product ever"
v4: "wait - you removed all these features because 'nobody was using them' ? well I rely on this feature and now your software is no long suitable for my purposes"
This is one thing that makes me a little nervous about the call for more features - because at some point there's going to be too many and the devs will want to start removing some during a major rewrite for v4. From there, it's largely all down hill, in my experience.
Anthony Parsons
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If it's improvement, without bloat, bring it on. The no BBCODE thing sounds interesting. Maybe an option for those that need it, otherwise, its not loaded. I simply want XF to remain light and super fast, and not follow in the bloatware that is VB and IPB.
All bloatware should be add-ons, whether official or third party.
All bloatware should be add-ons, whether official or third party.
Opus X
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invision alpha version that they have made so that users can preview it as a user uses it.
i will not post that link here out of respect.
but you can find it on admin junkies.
Opus X
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you can now with 2.2 if you use font awesome for them i know for sure.
site that i am staff on does it.
we are literally in the middle of a conversation about removing bbcode, which for me im on the side of not doing btw(unless there is a new custom option) ;P
Sim
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I wasn't suggesting features were removed in previous versions. I was commenting on other products which go through similar development cycles in the context of a suggestion to remove bbcode support.
By the time these other products get to v4 they decide to do a major rewrite because the underlying framework has aged too much - and in the process, they either drop features or delay the re-implementation of features because of the rush to release the new version.
I'm hopeful that won't happen here because XenForo is already a very mature product - the major framework update happened for v2.x and from my opinion, is still perfectly fit for purpose.
I would be far more concerned about v3.0 doing something crazy like introducing a JavaScript framework for client-side rendering of the UI and changing the structure into a single-page application (SPA) - because then it's no longer a PHP application, but a JavaScript application with a PHP backend.
It was a suggestion from one forum member.
No one on the team has indicated that would happen.
Suzanne O
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This is why it should be optional so that if people are ok without the use of bbcode they can switch it off on their forum.It was a suggestion from one forum member.
No one on the team has indicated that would happen.
frm
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I'm in favor of dropping GIPHY support now.
Was going to add it to a new forum and it appears that they went all "corporate" on you, like Facebook did for logins, requiring business validation, except like Facebook for inserting an animated GIF into a post.
To clarify, this is what is now required to get into production mode. I'm not going to make a screencap video of inserting a GIF into a post for them. I'm just not. Good on those that will for an animated GIF. However, this looks like a dying genre, even on Facebook.
Was going to add it to a new forum and it appears that they went all "corporate" on you, like Facebook did for logins, requiring business validation, except like Facebook for inserting an animated GIF into a post.
To clarify, this is what is now required to get into production mode. I'm not going to make a screencap video of inserting a GIF into a post for them. I'm just not. Good on those that will for an animated GIF. However, this looks like a dying genre, even on Facebook.
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