The Resource Manager add-on should not be free

[Carlos]

Hm. I saw that post, but I didn't realize I could right click and get "view image" with lightbox. Interesting.

Thanks!

 

[Ryan McAdams]

I would pay 250 - 500 or more for this product....

I'm also going to try out ignore thanks to this thread!!!

 

[Marcus]

I'd pay much more than I could vote for if the resource manager could be used for other purposes than selling code.

 

[psTubble27]

How much do you think XenForo is worth? Not how much can you afford but what value do you think it has? What's the upper limit you'd pay before deciding you'd rather use phpbb or something free?

That's a false question. I myself don't see why forums at all cost over $100, when almost every other software, one which take years to develop, with hundreds of people and hundreds of millions in a budget -- cost $60.

What in heck is this strange reason to encourage forums to charge more and more? It's because of fanboyism like this that, yes, VB4 costs absurd amounts of money, and XenForo is pushing the limits of what's acceptable for anyone but the biggest forum owners.

My web hosting, just fyi, costs $5 a month. THAT's a reasonable price.

 

[Robbo]

Ok the post above mine made me laugh. I don't know if serious or not...

 

[psTubble27]

Of course it's serious. Not everyone is a tricked out uber-forum owner with millions of users.

I see a lot of fanboyism on these forums, where literally just about any price Kier would charge would gladly be paid. I strongly encourage Kier to disregard those views, as they are highly non-indicative of the world at large.

 

[Robbo]

Then get a free option. They are cheap... $0!

 

[EQnoble]

That's a false question. I myself don't see why forums at all cost over $100, when almost every other software, one which take years to develop, with hundreds of people and hundreds of millions in a budget -- cost $60.

That's an opinion. See you gave the answer in your question/statement....

Hundreds of millions in budget....they have working capital and the resources to sit and wait for the money to roll in for their ROI ... the downside is in large companies, coders on the left hand have no clue what coders on the right hand are doing...that is a cost picked up in assembly line coding companies that is passed on to the end users. This software is coded by two people with whatever start-up monies they had available and they don't have money to hemorrhage in the meantime....but they have a product that both coders know what each other is doing.

Companies that make things like games spend hundreds of millions sometimes...but that is A because they have it to do so, and B because they make so much money in the sales alone because of the MARKET they are in, that 200 million is nothing by comparison to them. If you have a billion dollars, and a known business model on a hot gaming series that you own, and the basic construction of the games in the series doesn't change at all in almost 10 years, and you can make 750 million dollars profit on top of the return of the 200 million dollar principle, well even going over budget 50 million dollars doesn't matter...it is not fair to compare one kind of software with another...

How many people play video games; how many people run forums... the point being "how big is the market you are in. " Supply and demand is the first rule in business. and easily explains the why.

 

[RobParker]

That's a false question. I myself don't see why forums at all cost over $100, when almost every other software, one which take years to develop, with hundreds of people and hundreds of millions in a budget -- cost $60.

What in heck is this strange reason to encourage forums to charge more and more? It's because of fanboyism like this that, yes, VB4 costs absurd amounts of money, and XenForo is pushing the limits of what's acceptable for anyone but the biggest forum owners.

My web hosting, just fyi, costs $5 a month. THAT's a reasonable price.

I think you're a bit misleading in stating that "every other software" costs under $60. "Professional" software (i.e. something you use for a business, etc) generally costs much much more than that as it's generally much more specialised with a smaller market. Even staying on the website side of things, look at how much "professional" CMS software costs.

Even software you'd use for a hobby like Photoshop/Lightroom costs hundreds of dollars.

 

[Shelley]

Of course it's serious. Not everyone is a tricked out uber-forum owner with millions of users.

I see a lot of fanboyism on these forums, where literally just about any price Kier would charge would gladly be paid. I strongly encourage Kier to disregard those views, as they are highly non-indicative of the world at large.

Perhaps, perhaps not but with regards to your views on pricing seems to be a little presumptuous considering you haven't clapped eyes on the add-on yet. I always wait to see if the feature, add-on is worth it and warrants whether it's a feature/add-on that has been built to a high standard with x features added. Same rule goes for the RS, without knowing what features are coming with the RM there's no way to know what it's worth and what people are willing to pay. If the RM caters for only add-ons then I certainly won't be purchasing it. If it keeps in mind resources collectively known as (add-ons, styles & standalone graphics etc) then it'll be a purchase I'll make I personally don't hold back if I think a add-on, feature in the core has a flaw I'll post about it not just make a purchase because it was built by <insert developers name here> for people to do that would be silly and I doubt people will part with their money if the add-on doesn't meet they;re expectations or needs to advance their communities or businesses.


The fanboy running commentary is getting old it simply doesn't provide a solution if there is indeed a problem which there isn't from what I can see since we won't know what the RM is like until it goes live on the company's forums.

 

[Andrej]

That's a false question. I myself don't see why forums at all cost over $100, when almost every other software, one which take years to develop, with hundreds of people and hundreds of millions in a budget -- cost $60.

What in heck is this strange reason to encourage forums to charge more and more? It's because of fanboyism like this that, yes, VB4 costs absurd amounts of money, and XenForo is pushing the limits of what's acceptable for anyone but the biggest forum owners.

My web hosting, just fyi, costs $5 a month. THAT's a reasonable price.

I don't see what's your problem. Can't afford it? Use free forum software.

Sorry, but following your logic is like saying "My sandwich costs 5$, so I don't understand why they sell a car that costs 20.000$."

 

[psTubble27]

I don't see what's your problem. Can't afford it? Use free forum software.

Sorry, but following your logic is like saying "My sandwich costs 5$, so I don't understand why they sell a car that costs 20.000$."

Ok so based on what you said so far, it's fine for my hosting to cost $5, but the forum should cost $20.000? And if a person wants to pay less than that, i.e. maybe $10.000 or so, then he's a whiner and should go use free forums instead?

 

[Andrej]

Ok so based on what you said so far, it's fine for my hosting to cost $5, but the forum should cost $20.000? And if a person wants to pay less than that, i.e. maybe $10.000 or so, then he's a whiner and should go use free forums instead?

Not everybody will be pleased with something, for example the price. But that's how its is. And I personally think that the software is fairly priced. If you disagree, I have nothing against that. Just keep in mind, "Everyone can't be pleased".

I didn't say anyone was whiner for asking for a less price, by the way.

Respectfully, I don't to dive this thread off-topic so this post will be my first and last post on this thread regarding your post.

 

[Taylor J]

That's a false question. I myself don't see why forums at all cost over $100, when almost every other software, one which take years to develop, with hundreds of people and hundreds of millions in a budget -- cost $60.

What in heck is this strange reason to encourage forums to charge more and more? It's because of fanboyism like this that, yes, VB4 costs absurd amounts of money, and XenForo is pushing the limits of what's acceptable for anyone but the biggest forum owners.

My web hosting, just fyi, costs $5 a month. THAT's a reasonable price.

Yeah um not one paid for forum solution costs $60.

 

[MilesDB]

I voted for the $20-50 option given today's state of economy. Personally I don't mind paying $100 'cause I need RM and I know this product will constantly be improved upon.

K&M, PLEASE make a converter for it from vBAdvanced Dynamics [vb3.8]! If you do that, I'll buy three instances of RM at least.

 

[psTubble27]

Yeah um not one paid for forum solution costs $60.

That's because of threads like this. "Dear JelSoft, VB3 is such a great product, please charge $100." "No, 150." "No, $200, I am the leetest fanboy of them all!" That's why with VB4, IB would've had to have been complete idiots not to milk the fanboys for every last bit and penny. For the rest of us, the fact of the matter is that we want to pay as little as possible, or nothing at all, for the highest quality product we can find (XenForo).

I will grudgingly part with $140 , but it would be insanity for me to offer to pay more and more, in a masochistic way.

The real world consists of people who want to pay as little as possible, which is why I strongly recommend that Kier ignore threads like this, and take into consideration the people with whom he will be building his brand-name and credibility.

 

[Forsaken]

That's because of threads like this. "Dear JelSoft, VB3 is such a great product, please charge $100." "No, 150." "No, $200, I am the leetest fanboy of them all!" That's why with VB4, IB would've had to have been complete idiots not to milk the fanboys for every last bit and penny. For the rest of us, the fact of the matter is that we want to pay as little as possible, or nothing at all, for the highest quality product we can find (XenForo).

I will grudgingly part with $140 , but it would be insanity for me to offer to pay more and more, in a masochistic way.

The real world consists of people who want to pay as little as possible, which is why I strongly recommend that Kier ignore threads like this, and take into consideration the people with whom he will be building his brand-name and credibility.

The vast majority do not mind paying for quality. If you pay $20-30 for something, you only get $20-30 worth of product. If I want something of value, I'll pay the worth of the product, and not complain.

Could XenForo go cheaper? They probably could. Would they be able to stay in business and expand in the future? Most likely not.

$140 is cheap. Its a one time fee, then a $40 renewal each year. It isn't overpriced, its the cheapest top quality forum software currently available (In the paid category), and at least in my opinion you get more value for the money.

As this thread was originally about add-ons, official add-ons should always be paid (Unless they release as open source when they're EOL like the Project Tools for vBulletin). If they're not paid the developers do not have much of an incentive to continue upgrading and developing the product.

Most people also aren't tight-fisted when they consider it an investment; If they get a good value for what they pay they obviously have no qualms about paying a higher price. It is plain idiotic to complain about price when you yourself admit this is the highest quality product you can get. If the price is a turn off for you, there is always free options.

 

[MilesDB]

The real world consists of people who want to pay as little as possible, which is why I strongly recommend that Kier ignore threads like this, and take into consideration the people with whom he will be building his brand-name and credibility.

FYI, Kier & Mike are fighting off lawsuits brought upon them by vB's parent, IB. They need means to pay for lawyers, etc. With a crunch like this, they still managed to price their products on a lower end considering the xF's quality and competition. Many xF customers bought licenses just to support K & M.

 

[psTubble27]

Now -- that's a valid argument. I entirely agree. If the motivation behind begging for higher prices were camraderie with Kier & Mike, and not what we've seen in this thread, temporarily high prices would've been much less of an issue.

Realize that I too have XF's interests in mind when speaking of lower prices -- a lower price entry, absence of add-ons and 'patches' perceived to be cash-milking (a major source of disgruntlement in the overall computer community), build an immense following for a company and its products.

 

[whynot]

perceived to be cash-milking

They are.

(a major source of disgruntlement in the overall computer community)

From Invision it is a accepted by the customers, not so from the Vbulletin customers.