[Scandal's] xF Glossary

[Scandal's] xF Glossary 1.0.0 Beta

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Prior to installing any plug on my own forum, at minimum I expect to see it running live somewhere…. The fact that the feedback is absent is for me a red flag.
Agreed and the fact that the project has been dormant for quite some time leads me to question whether there are more issues with it that need to be addressed. I might install on a staging site to assess but without greater support from the developer and others, I'm apprehensive.
 
Prior to installing any plug on my own forum, at minimum I expect to see it running live somewhere…. The fact that the feedback is absent is for me a red flag.
Leave your comfort zone and install it on a test site. And if it is a red flag per se don't use it. It's free as in free beer. You are not forced to use it but have no reason to complain anyways.
Agreed and the fact that the project has been dormant for quite some time leads me to question whether there are more issues with it that need to be addressed.
There has been a single release of this addon and it is labeled Beta. As you can see when reading this thread there was not a single update since the release back in 2020, so more than four years ago. As people in this thread have mentioned file import has some issues sometimes, other than that it works brilliantly w/o issues (on 2.2.16/2.2.17).

Not nice that the plugin author decided to keep in silence - but there is absolutely no evidence that "there are more issues with it that need to be addressed" other than pain phantasy of your's. On what foundation do you write such statements? They are destructive, the more if you did not even try out the addon.
 
Leave your comfort zone and install it on a test site. And if it is a red flag per se don't use it. It's free as in free beer. You are not forced to use it but have no reason to complain anyways.

There has been a single release of this addon and it is labeled Beta. As you can see when reading this thread there was not a single update since the release back in 2020, so more than four years ago. As people in this thread have mentioned file import has some issues sometimes, other than that it works brilliantly w/o issues (on 2.2.16/2.2.17).

Not nice that the plugin author decided to keep in silence - but there is absolutely no evidence that "there are more issues with it that need to be addressed" other than pain phantasy of your's. On what foundation do you write such statements? They are destructive, the more if you did not even try out the addon.
The developer was kind enough to share the addon for free. We should all be greatly appreciative. Owes us nothing, nor a response which may not have even been received and possibly moved on to another focus.

You point out that people have reported issues with the import. You might be unaware that a product responsibly self-labeled as a beta is the developer's public warning to all that it should be accepted "as is" and "at your own risk" and that there may be issues yet to be discovered through further testing. The approach of @TorontoJoe is prudent. As you seem very concerned about the true state of operation of the addon and its reputation, it's available to you to download, test, and report the results here to build a better foundation for its status. We'd all appreciate it.
 
I'm not trying to be critical of the addon or its developer. I have no basis on which to be. The fact is that I'm very green. I've only been running my XF forum for a couple of months after years of admin on a VB forum. I'm very much liking XF but since starting, I have made mistakes. Some were costly because I didn't know how to fix them myself. In the absence of dialogue with a base of users or the developer, if something did go wrong... something perhaps that I didn't experience during testing, I would be on my own.
 
I'm not trying to be critical of the addon or its developer. I have no basis on which to be. The fact is that I'm very green. I've only been running my XF forum for a couple of months after years of admin on a VB forum. I'm very much liking XF but since starting, I have made mistakes. Some were costly because I didn't know how to fix them myself. In the absence of dialogue with a base of users or the developer, if something did go wrong... something perhaps that I didn't experience during testing, I would be on my own.
You have nothing for which you need to apologize or explain. This addon was released 4 years ago and has no known live installations. Nobody wants to invest and waste their time in a project that appears abandoned. Those providing criticism should consider whether it is warranted before posting. This is a friendly place and you should feel comfortable sharing your respectfully posted thoughts and questions and many are glad to help, which includes me if I can. Good luck.
 
You point out that people have reported issues with the import. You might be unaware that a product responsibly self-labeled as a beta is the developer's public warning to all that it should be accepted "as is" and "at your own risk" and that there may be issues yet to be discovered through further testing.
Reallly? Who whould have thought that? :rolleyes: Apart from the fact that "beta" can mean a lot of different things in reality depending from the developer and that even non-beta software is "use at your own risk", the more if it is free as in free beer.
The approach of @TorontoJoe is prudent. As you seem very concerned about the true state of operation of the addon and its reputation, it's available to you to download, test, and report the results here to build a better foundation for its status. We'd all appreciate it.
Obviously you did neither bother to read this thread nor what I wrote. As other people I do have the add on running on my forum w/o issues with the exception of some hickups when batch importing (which are maneageble as they are one-timers though uncomfortable). I am on 2.2, so no info about wether it works on 2.3 from my side. On 2.2. absolutely happy. That's what I wrote and what various others who installed it wrote as well in this thread.

How come you make wild statements about the state of the add on w/o testing or using it yourself or even read what experiences others had and have with it?
 
Wild statements?
Well: If you read through this thread you will find out:
1. This add on has been released four years ago as beta and has not seen a single update since then.
2. The author of the add on @Scandal has stopped participating in this thread or answering questions roughly 2,5 years ago. He is still active in the forum here and did not mark the add on as "unmaintained", so state and future of the add on are somewhat unclear.
3. A bunch of people are using the add on in their forums and are more than happy with it, smaller inconveniences aside
4. Until now noone seems to have tested or used it on XF2.3 (or if so not reported about it), so it is somewhat unclear if it will work flawlessly on 2.3 as well.
5. As with every add on that has a bit of complexity it is a wise idea to play with it on a test instance of the own forum before taking it live. There have been no showstopper issues reported, but one never knows if that's true for the own forum as well and if it fits the own expectations anyway.

So the situation is pretty clear. Nevertheless @TheLaw grumbles about the add on being labeled as beta and associates whatever he personally associates with beta software and claims that there would potentially be massive hidden issues with it - despite not having tested or used it and ignoring all the positive feedback and reviews for the addon in this thread. He even claims there would be no feedback. This is what I would call
Wild statements
Plain phantasy with no relation to reality and even actively ignoring what's on the table.

Fact is in general: With XF add ons, especially free ones, you never know what you'll get w/o having used or tested them and you never know if and for how long they will be actively maintained, what quality the code may have and you never know if it will work on a future release. So at least in my eyes it is always a bit of a bet and one should try not to become dependent from a certain add on on the own forum and be aware that with a major XF update one might be in trouble and might have the need for alternatives or to loose the functionality the add on provides. There are some exceptions with some add ons where one can be quite sure that they will be supported in future, but even with those you do have the risk of the truck factor as most add on developers are a one man band and accidents and unforeseen life changes do happen.

With this add on in particular it may or may not turn out that it works or not on 2.3. Easy to test. If it doesn't work the four alternatives are:
1. Stay on 2.2
2. Try to convince the add on author to make it compatible (if necessary by throwing money at him)
3. Fix it yourself for yourself
4. Find an alternative way to deal with glossaries

Until now nobody knows if this is necessary at all, still one should be prepared that it might not work with 2.3 though no one knows the probability for that as no one seems to have tested it so far.

All the speculations could easily be ended if someone did a test on 2.3. I surely will do that at some point - until now no need as I am still happy on 2.2.
 
So the situation is pretty clear. Nevertheless @TheLaw grumbles about the add on being labeled as beta and associates whatever he personally associates with beta software and claims that there would potentially be massive hidden issues with it - despite not having tested or used it and ignoring all the positive feedback and reviews for the addon in this thread. He even claims there would be no feedback. This is what I would call

Plain phantasy with no relation to reality and even actively ignoring what's on the table.
I said nothing of the kind. And I believe you mean "fantasy" - of which this is an excellent illustration.

I came here hoping to see if a message might encourage the developer to show an interest. As you seemed to confirm, he/she has moved on long ago. That's fine. My days of tinkering with betas, root kits, etc. are long gone and my time is prioritized elsewhere. I respect your desire to forge ahead with this beta (a well established concept) and its rave reviews. And I respect others who choose to take a different path. Good luck to you.
 
As you seemed to confirm, he/she has moved on long ago.
I have confirmed nothing what you could not have seen yourself when reading the thread you are posting to - I do not have any more or other information. Again: It seems you did not bother to inform yourself before posting.

My days of tinkering with betas, root kits, etc. are long gone
Totally fine. But once more you seem to be triggered by the label "beta". There are many addons available here that are not labeled beta and do not have the level of this add on in terms of quality but suffer from nasty, obvious bugs, even if labeld 2.x or 3.x. Also I wonder what on earth a XenForo add on has in common with root kits. Really: If you don't like it don't use it. But if you did not bother to inform yourself or test it you should not give such statements.
 
I have confirmed nothing what you could not have seen yourself when reading the thread you are posting to - I do not have any more or other information. Again: It seems you did not bother to inform yourself before posting.


Totally fine. But once more you seem to be triggered by the label "beta". There are many addons available here that are not labeled beta and do not have the level of this add on in terms of quality but suffer from nasty, obvious bugs, even if labeld 2.x or 3.x. Also I wonder what on earth a XenForo add on has in common with root kits. Really: If you don't like it don't use it. But if you did not bother to inform yourself or test it you should not give such statements.
I have no idea to what statement you're referring, but that's OK. Thank you for sharing your experience with software development.
 
Hello people! :)

So sorry for not replying to your questions until now.
I don't have free time to update this addon to xF2.3 (due to I have to work with my clients to convert my existing work into xF2.3 so no time for my free addons). So sorry about it. It does not need so much work, I guess the main thing is that it has some jQuery parts (which is deprecated in xF2.3) + it uses a jquery plugin for the ajax auto-complete search and of course it needs all functions to be tested again. It follows all other xF2 standards except that it needs unzip to upload the files instead via the addon installer.
I hope to find time to work on it from March 2025.

The limited time to support my free addons is the reason I don't used to publish lots of addons.
As far as it concerns it is a Beta is due to it was a first release, but I had test it as much as I could before release it.
Of course my addon has no root-kits or malicious code. The package file is there since 2020, if anyone could detect sth unsafe or malicious, he could report it.

I changed the addon prefix to Unmaintained to prevent misunderstandings.

Thank you very much and have a great New Year 2025!!
 
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I hope to find time to work on it from March 2025.
That is good news! As due to the incompatibility with 2.3...
it has some jQuery parts (which is deprecated in xF2.3)
... it is a blocker for updating to 2.3 (and beyond) for users of the add on: Any chance to possibly speed up the process, i.e. by
2. Try to convince the add on author to make it compatible (if necessary by throwing money at him)
?
 
The add-on works on XenForo 2.3.4 and I don't see any problems so far. Please continue to support it because it is not just perfect, but unique and very useful! 🤓 🫶
I really appreciate the author's feedback and making his/her work available here. Hopefully permission will be granted to continue etc. but "support" doesn't mean install it and use it. That means investing value, e.g. money to someone to develop/address issues or donating it yourself and distributing (assuming permission.)

No doubt it's unique and useful and awesome. The issue comes into play with, as you put it, "don't see any problems so far." Key works highlighted for emphasis. As many of us have learned the hard way, if you put a good sized investment in it and then the next minor release breaks something, all that effort and great resource vanishes. So if you're serious about wanting to make a concerted effort to keep it around and see that it has an interested user base, I'd suggest you go about trying to create some type of organized effort to ensure it can be supported and modified as/if/when needed. Would love to use it, feel the same way, and if you can address the aforementioned, I'd be glad to consider being a part of the effort in making an investment.
 
Yes, definitely if the add-on screws up a big forum or one that is at least two years old with a lot of users and content it won't be pleasant at all. I've also learned the hard way that it is first tested on a local server, and if there are no problems for at least a month, then it is used in the official forum or website. Support..... this is something that always bothers me. I have seen big projects die solely because of the laziness of the one who developed them, putting thousands of people in a dead end. It took me two years to decide to buy a license for XenForo, in observations and risk calculation. I would never allow myself to approach my creation irresponsibly.

It's really not a bad idea to invest in such and similar add-ons because they are worth it, there is no dispute about that. Since I have nothing to hide :D Because I didn't have 40/50$ to buy the add-on that turns the forum into a portal, I created my own. Investing in my case is a moment that is quite far from the present. I say again, I don't mind, but I want to be able to do it without harming myself.

The other thing that should be mentioned is that a lot of work has been put into this add-on, not just writing code, structure, functionality, etc. The question that arises is "Why did it stop"? Even if it had become paid and not free, it would still be worth it.

But otherwise I can test the add-on without problems, as I said earlier - initial observations do not give any errors, neither in the admin, nor in the console, nor in the server log. Which is surprising because on XenForo 2.3 most good add-ons no longer work as they should.
 
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