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Oh i hate phpbb, im not pulling for that at all. vB was the most popular forever due to its ability to be edited with ease. BTW there really is no pioneer in actuality. XF has done nothing no other forum has done was my point, btw its not about who came first, its about who does it better. So far, they all are good forums. XF is a dope forum, i love it, but its leaves me wanting more, ya know? Im not a fanboy lol, as i have expressed all sides to all major forums, i have stated the downfalls and pros for all 3. How does that make me a fanboy? Im not siiting here saying a certain forum is the best there is, was and always will be, thats just ignorant. All solutions are nice and offer something in their own right. XF is very nice, for what it is, a forum. IPB offers a full suite, vB offers..well an outdated forum lol.